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Mega Man 9 – Too Retro?

Author: Vince | Date: September 22, 2008

Mega Man 9, Capcom’s upcoming title for Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii, is a deliberate attempt to recreate the 8-bit gaming experience we all remember from our childhood, with its blocky sprites and midi music intact.  But in the wake of Capcom setting the standard for ‘next-gen retro games’ with Bionic Commando: Rearmed, is this really the right way for them to go with MM9?

When the concept art for the characters in MM9 began to appear, like Hornet Man above, I got really excited about how this game was going to turn out, especially with how BC:R looked at that time considering they are both from the same company.  In my mind I had visions of something like Castle Crashers on the graphical front, simple and cartoony, although as the big C are Japanese maybe an anime style would be more fitting.  But still retaining Mega Man’s classic 2d platforming charms.

So imagine my horror when the first in game screenshots turned up on the Internet and we were greeted with something that resembles the original MM on the NES.  It’s not that I have an issue with retro gaming, in fact I’m very fond of it, but making a game for ‘next-gen’ consoles that looks, plays and feels like a NES game is just wrong.  If I wanted to play some classic Mega Man I’d fire up a NES and play it (or it’s emulated equivalent).

Example in point, above and below are 2 screenshots, one from Mega Man 1 on the NES, the other from Mega Man 9 on the 360/PS3.  While the dodgy picture quality of old screenshots probably gives it away, there’s still not much between the 2, and 8-bit style graphics are not what I’m looking for in a modern game.  Pricing will probably end up being the deciding factor for me on this one, I’d speculate at a 800/$10 cost based on it’s 1000 Wii points pricing in WiiWare.  I guess I’ll reserve final judgement until I can play the demo, once it’s released…

Mega Man 9 is set for a staggered release, with the WiiWare version being released today (22nd September) for 1000 Wii points, the PSN version due on 25th September and the XBLA version set for 1st October.  No official word on pricing for the PS3 & 360 versions yet.

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 10:46:29

It seems that your article has ruffled at least one set of feathers this morning…not my own, I might add…I don’t even have feathers.

I don’t have a problem with the repackaging of old games but if the repackaging is minimal it should come with a much lower ‘budget price’ and shouldn’t cost the same as an old game which has had a lot of love and care put into updating it in some way.

I just hate the idea that some fat cat is sitting back rubbing their hands and thinking “ok, ‘old school’ gamers will have loved this game when it was first released, I have a great idea, let’s ask them to pay for it again!”

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Comment by SmellyGeekBoy
2008-09-23 12:27:52

Well, actually Mega Man 9 is a whole new game that they created from scratch to look like a NES game. It probably took modern programmers with modern techniques a matter of days to create, but at least Capcom are releasing it as a downloadable title rather than as a full retail game (and charging accordingly).

I guess they can’t win either way – if they changed the style of the game at all, hardcore old-skool fans would say “ZOMG! They changed it, therefore it’s rubbish!”, but if they do it this way (which is quite novel if nothing else), the new fans all go “It’s all old and blocky and stuff, therefore it’s rubbish!”.

Much like the Sonic and Worms games, there will always be a hardcore set of fans who’d prefer it all to be in 2D. Capcom are just taking a different approach and actually giving those fans what they want, rather than trying to appeal to the modern “Graphics is God” crowd.

Who knows which method is right? I guess only the sales figures will tell.

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Comment by N
2008-09-23 17:50:41

You don’t seem to get that allot of people LIKE this. So what if a company gains profit from a product people enjoy. That’s there job.

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 17:57:48

Trust me, I do “get it” but I am a paying customer and as such my job is to question whether or not something is worth the money being asked for it.

Would you rather customers blindly ran around purchasing everything which took their fancy?

That is the route of madness.

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 13:00:59

Well, I mentioned repackaging of past games because this is effectively what has been done here.

It IS a new game created from scratch but, as you say, this is something which has most likely been knocked up in no time at all.

I just hate it when nostalgia is the main force behind any purchase.

I have never even been an advocate of the idea that the amount of fun you can have with a game should directly equate to how much it costs, which is an argument many companies like to hide behind when pricing games, because if that’s the case then surely purchasing a cheap NES off Ebay is the smartest way to go?

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Comment by Timptation
2008-09-23 14:36:05

I don’t care if it took 2 days or 2 years to make. As a MegaMan fan, I absolutely love that they went and made another “NES” game. The game plays perfectly and I think if they tried to do anything more, it would’ve just diluted the gameplay. I wouldn’t be opposed to a kind of “higher resolution texture swap” as an option for people who seems to think graphics make the game more fun. It would still be a tile-based game though so I’m sure graphics people would complain about that too. It would even be interesting for me to play through that way, but ultimately, I would want the NES style. I would venture to guess that in general, the people interested in graphics aren’t into old school gaming anyway. This was made for the fans, and if graphics people aren’t fans, then they don’t have to be. Here’s hoping for MegaMan 10 NES style!

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 16:03:46

And this is why companies get away with remaking titles such as Pacman, over and over again, because some people will by any old retro thing which is thrown their way.

I love games.
I love good graphics.

It isn’t as though I think the two must meet in order to create a good game I just happen to appreciate a little more effort before someone asks me to part with my cash.

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Comment by EdEN
2008-09-23 17:10:11

So don’t buy it. I purchased it on launch and don’t regret my purchase. People complaining are mostly graphics whores or those too young to ever have played any of the NES originals… which the author of this post seems to be since he references the 360/PS3 versions more than the Wiiware version which was the lead SKU.

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Comment by OwningXylophone
2008-09-23 17:30:22

Erm, I’m 27 and have been gaming since I owned a Commodore +4 in the mid-80′s… So a bit out there matey… I played MegaMan 1-4 on the NES when they came out and have since played the rest of the core series more recently.

The original MM games were among my favorites on the original NES, along with SMB3, but to churn out a brand new title that looks like NES game just doesn’t cut if for me. As pointed out in the article, this does not mean I won’t be playing the game, it just dropped it from an instant purchase to play the demo and see… TigerVamp said it best I think:-

“I love games.
I love good graphics.

It isn’t as though I think the two must meet in order to create a good game I just happen to appreciate a little more effort before someone asks me to part with my cash.”

p.s. I don’t own a Wii and have no real intention of getting one… Hence the references to the 360/PS3 versions…

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 17:22:31

Possible reason as to why the author chose to focus his attention on the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions:

The Megaman games have a strong connection with Nintendo and so the news that this game will be available on the Wii is not as interesting as its appearance on the PS3 and Xbox 360.

(or because he doesn’t own a Wii)

“So don’t buy it” <–I fully expect this type of response.
I guess you only have an opinion on things which directly affect you, right?
That is what is known as a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) attitude.

If I don’t purchase this game then I have no right to an opinion on how much the game will cost? Is that what you’re saying?
Well, you’re wrong about that, the price of such a game will have an effect on similar games which are released after it.
If a similar game comes along and makes me want to part with my cash then it will be priced according to how successful similar games have been.

It’s simple. If a company releases a game they knocked up in a few days (I realize it would have taken longer than this) instead of spending more time on it and it sells really well, what do you think the quality of their next title will be like?

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Comment by Mitch
2008-09-23 18:07:12

“If I don’t purchase this game then I have no right to an opinion on how much the game will cost? Is that what you’re saying?”

No, he’s just saying don’t buy it if you don’t want to.

If you are saying everyone shouldn’t buy it because it may screw up business models on titles you may want to purchase in the future then you are being extremely selfish. If someone wants to play the game and has fun playing the game they will want similar titles.

We live in a capitalist society. Successful titles will will be done in a different form, but same idea. Oh well. Life moves on.

“That is what is known as a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) attitude.”

No. Awful analogy.

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Anyhow, I love the idea for the game because I’ve become disenfranchised with a lot of video games lately and I make my voice heard by not buying things (not complaining about it on teh interweb). It’s about the best you can do in a capitalist society and tell the big wigs you don’t like it.

I will be purchasing this game, however. That’s for sure.

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 18:16:26

““That is what is known as a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) attitude.”

No. Awful analogy.”

It was not an analogy. It was a description.

“I make my voice heard by not buying things (not complaining about it on teh interweb).”

Good for you. I write for this website and so naturally I will write my opinions. But, I suppose your opinion on the matter is much more valid than my own.

Will I purchase this game? Not sure.

Do I think this game will be good? It should be and I hope so.

Do I believe that everyone should boycott this game? Certainly not.

Do I like hats in the black and white film-noir detective style? Yes.

Can Churchill offer you a good deal on car insurance? Ohhhhh yes *nods*

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Comment by Mitch
2008-09-23 18:32:10

“It was not an analogy. It was a description.” Either way, I don’t think it applies here.

“Do I believe that everyone should boycott this game? Certainly not.” I got the impression otherwise. You weren’t saying in explicitly, but it seemed that’s the way you felt.

“Do I like hats in the black and white film-noir detective style? Yes.” Aye, they are great hats.

I love my fake old-school hockey helmet. They used to wear the funny looking leather ones, but I have one that looks similar but made of regular cloth.

“But, I suppose your opinion on the matter is much more valid than my own.” Duh.

 
Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 18:44:03

Wait a minute…

Our conversation appears to have gently settled into a much more diplomatic discussion…we can’t have that!

Let me see…

…

…

Right, yeah, I happen to disagree with the following statement but needs must…Hockey sucks!

 
Comment by Mitch
2008-09-23 18:56:16

-.-

Yar, walk the plank.

. . . . They should have Talk Like a Pirate week, not day . . .

AND HOCKEY IS AWESOME ITS A REAL TOUGH SPORT WITH PEOPLE HITTING EACH OTHER AND ITS NOT LIKE THEY LAND ON SOFT GRASS LIKE FOOTBALL ITS HARD ICE!!!!!!!!!!! ICE DOES NOT GIVE OMG AND IT REQUIRES SO MUCH SKILL TO SKATE AROUND AND CONTROL THE PUCK AND SHOOT IT AND SAVE IT AND PASS IT AROUND AND DO IT ALL IN A SHORT SHIFT SO YOU CAN LAST THE WHOLE GAME

It’s awesome.

 
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Comment by ixa
2008-09-23 18:49:35

Actually, “NIMBY” is used when you have a strong feeling towards something -until- it will impact you directly…then, that feeling is usually reversed.

For example, I believe there needs to be a new dump in my county. However, it should not be built anywhere near where *I* live because it will ruin my standard of living.

The only way “NIMBY” would apply here is to someone shouting “Make more retro games!” then going “No, I didn’t mean like that! I don’t want games like that!” after seeing MM9.

You have the right to your opinion, but you also have the right to vote with your wallet. Considering your feelings on this game, I can’t imagine that you’d even care about “similar games.”

The argument that MM9 is a quick rush job for a quick profit isn’t really founded in anything other than your opinion. For all that is “lacking” in graphics, there is plenty of work spent on music and level design…and yes, working on making the graphics look like they do.

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 19:05:22

Considering my feelings on this game?

I wrote “Do I think this game will be good? It should be and I hope so.”

My argument that MM9 is a “quick rush job for a quick profit” is founded in the fact that recent retro games have quite clearly had much more time spent on them.

Now, it is quite possible that this decision is down to ‘the powers that be’ and not the developers.

I certainly have no problem with Capcom as my childhood was happily filled with incredible games they developed.

I find it very interesting that I’m somehow in the wrong for suggesting that something isn’t worth the asking price. It’s my right to feel this way.

Why do some people have such an issue with the notion that I don’t feel this particular game is worth the money?

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Comment by SmellyGeekBoy
2008-09-23 17:55:39

I really didn’t think there’d be such a debate about this!

Honestly, I think that it’s a really interesting project if nothing else. Why not create a “new” NES game after all, and show all the modern gamers what it’s all about? To be fair, we appreciate modern games technology because we lived through the “golden” 8- and 16-bit eras, but most of the younger gamers out there weren’t so fortunate.

This is like a blast from the past for us, and like a history lesson for them, all packaged up as something brand new for less than the price of a NES and a copy of the original Mega Man on eBay. What’s not to like?

Modern, slick-looking platformers like Castle Crashers are fantastic, and do have their place, but I still think there’s room for Mega Man 9 in the market too.

Give the people what they want!

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 18:00:41

“for less than the price of a NES and a copy of the original Mega Man on eBay. What’s not to like?”

Well, you don’t get a NES with it.
Without a NES I can’t play that truly awful WWF game I used to play round my mates as a kid! ;-)

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Comment by CreatureX
2008-09-23 20:06:52

Check out:

seanmalstrom.wordpress.com

For a great article on why many so called ‘hardcore’ gamers seem to be afraid of MM9′s 8-bit graphics.

As for me, I just beat MM9 WiiWare and I think it’s one of the greatest games released so far in 2008! I want to see MM10 in the same style. I for one hope with all my heart that we see more new 8-bit/NES games in the future. Bring on new Mario’s and Castlevania’s! 8-bit for life!

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Comment by ThePintoBeaner
2008-09-23 20:49:14

@ Tigervamp

While I won’t begrudge your stance that the game isn’t worth the $10 asking price (that’s a personal decision, after all) I do take issue with your claims that it’s a “rush job” and that the decision to go retro was more a cynical marketing ploy cooked up by suits than a decision on the dev side.

On the first point, just because visually the game is done in the 8-bit style does not mean that it is simplistic or that creating such a game (and making it polished and entertaining) is an easy task. To assume that would be to place way too much emphasis on a game’s graphics when determining what a game is worth.

There are countless design elements that go into creating the average game. To call MM9 a rush job is to discount its superlative level design, its overall polish (the game is immaculate), its ease of play, and its balance, which successfully walks the line between challenging and cheap. Accomplishing this is no easy task. (Just look at the latter NES Megas… or any number of modern games that fail to accomplish any of these feats despite the advantages of superior technology.)

Your second point is going to come down to personal opinion. You assume that the suits at Capcom looked at a new Mega Man done in an “antiquated” graphical style and thought, “Slam dunk. There’s no way this can fail.” Personally, I can’t see that being the case. If anything, a new Mega Man with tripped out HD graphics would have been the sure bet, the one likely to be championed by the suits. The path they chose was definitely riskier, I think, with a higher probability of backlash. But again, that’ s all speculation.

For my money, the game is definitely worth every penny. I spent the better part of yesterday blasting through the game with my bros, passing the control around, cursing wildly with each death, grooving to the midi, and generally just having a good old time. Definitely recommend it if you can look past the presentation (or, gasp, learn to love it) but one way or another you definitely have to try it — maybe when the game goes down in price? ;)

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-23 20:59:24

Congratulations!

That’s the first completely sensible ‘difference of opinion’ I have read all day! =o)

You’re correct, I should try the game, and I most likely will, especially if it comes down in price at some point.

I have a great idea…if everyone who disagrees with me on this page donates £1 to the cause I’ll be more than happy to pay for Gamerpoints and purchase it on Xbox Live! ;-)

Nah, seriously though, if and when I do play the game I’ll judge it purely on how it plays.
If it manages to recreate the fun I had with the original 8 bit games then I will overlook what I see as being ever-so-slightly lazy graphics.

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Comment by ThePintoBeaner
2008-09-23 21:46:26

Hahaha, that’s a good scam, but you won’t be getting my hard earned lucre, man. LOL

I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised whenever you do decide to play it.

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Comment by Kira the Killer
2008-09-24 06:04:56

I have to say I REALLY doubt the 8-bit graphic style in this game was a mandate passed down from the higher-ups or suits.

This game was created by Inti Creates (a company formed by ex-Capcom staffers who worked on , amongst other things, the early Mega Man X games). Inti Creates is responsible for the mostly wonderful Megaman Zero and Megaman ZX games fro the GBA and DS.

Now why is this a big deal? Because Megaman ZX Advent (the second DS game) has an unlockable retro/8-bit style level known as “Mega Man a” (as in ancient).
This team snuck that little tidbit in there, so obviously they must have some love for classic Mega Man 2D gameplay and retro graphics. (as do a lot of people… have you seen all the Mega Man 2-inspired vids and animations from 2chan? Most are on youtube…)

I dunno, seems more likely they pitched the idea to go retro themselves… >_>

(PS – I’m not some Mega Man super-fan… I only own three MM games total. >_<)

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-24 08:47:27

“Because Megaman ZX Advent (the second DS game) has an unlockable retro/8-bit style level known as “Mega Man a” (as in ancient).”

I didn’t know that.

I could be cynical and suggest that they knew they were going to be releasing Mega Man 9 and so shoved that little bit in there in order to gauge the reaction of those who played it…but, you’re probably right.

My above comments are based on cost and this is only related to how the game looks as I see the graphics as being a bit lazy, having said that, I haven’t played the game (yet) so I have avoided commenting on how the game plays.

Lovin’ the little faces btw!

>_<

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Comment by Tigervamp
2008-09-24 08:54:45

I am not sure how much my views are afected by the fact that I don’t have a strong affection for the Mega Man games.

I suppose my feelings might change if they re-release Captain Commando or Cadillacs and Dinosaurs because I found myself addicted to those two arcade games when I was younger.

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